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Herbert II Count of Vermandois

Male Abt 884 - 943  (59 years)


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  1. 1.  Herbert II Count of Vermandois was born about 884 in , Vermandois, France; died on 23 Feb 943 in Saint Quentin, Aisne, Hauts-de-France, France; was buried in Saint Quentin, Aisne, Hauts-de-France, France.

    Notes:

    Herbert was the son of Herbert I of Vermandois.[1] He was apparently well aware of his descent from Charlemagne.[2] Herbert inherited the domain of his father and in 907, added to it the Abbey of St. Medard, Soissons. He took the position of Lay abbot entitling him to the income of those estates.[1] His marriage with a daughter of king Robert I of France brought him the County of Meaux.[3]

    In 922, when Seulf became Archbishop of Rheims, in an effort to appease Herbert II Seulf solemnly promised him he could nominate his successor.[4] In 923, Count Herbert took the bold step of imprisoning King Charles III, who died still a captive in 929.[a][3] Then, on the death of Seulf in 925, with the help of King Rudolph, he acquired for his second son Hugh (then five years old) the archbishopric of Rheims.[5] Herbert took the additional step of sending emissaries to Rome to Pope John X to gain his approval, which that pope gave in 926.[4] On his election young Hugh was sent to Auxerre to study.[2]

    In 926, on the death of Count Roger I of Laon. Herbert demanded this countship for Eudes, his eldest son.[6] He took the town in defiance of King Rudolph leading to a clash between the two in 927.[2] Using the threat of releasing King Charles III, whom he held captive, Herbert managed to hold the city for four more years.[2] But after the death of Charles in 929, Rudolph again attacked Laon in 931 successfully defeating Herbert.[2] The same year the king entered Rheims and defeated archbishop Hugh, the son of Herbert.[7] Artaud became the new archbishop of Reims.[7] Herbert II then lost, in three years, Vitry, Laon, Château-Thierry, and Soissons.[8] The intervention of his ally, Henry the Fowler, allowed him to restore his domains (except Rheims and Laon) in exchange for his submission to King Rudolph.

    Later Herbert allied with Hugh the Great and William Longsword, duke of Normandy against King Louis IV, who allocated the County of Laon to Roger II, the son of Roger I, in 941. Herbert and Hugh the Great took back Rheims and captured Artaud.[9] Hugh, the son of Herbert, was restored as archbishop.[9] Again the mediation of the German King Otto I in Visé, near Liège, in 942 allowed for the normalization of the situation.

    Death and legacy
    Herbert II died on 23 February 943 at Saint-Quentin, Aisne (the capital of the county of Vermandois).[1] His vast estates and territories were divided among his sons.[10] Vermandois and Amiens went to the two elder sons while Robert and Herbert, the younger sons, were given the valuable holdings scattered throughout Champagne.[10] On Robert's death his brother's son Herbert III inherited them all. Herbert III's only son Stephen died childless in 1019–20 thus ending the male line of Herbert II.[10]

    Family
    Herbert married Adele, daughter of Robert I of France.[11] Together they had the following children:

    Eudes of Vermandois, Count of Amiens and of Vienne, (c. 910–946)[1]
    Adalbert I, Count of Vermandois (c. 915–987), married Gerberge of Lorraine[1]
    Adela of Vermandois (910–960), married 934 Count Arnulf I of Flanders[1]
    Herbert 'the Old' (c. 910–980), Count of Omois, Meaux and Troyes, and abbot of St. Medard, Soissons, married 951 Eadgifu of Wessex daughter of Edward the Elder King of England and widow of Charles III King of France.[b][1]
    Sprota Adele de Senlis (913–945), captive of William I, Duke of Normandy;[1] and fathered Richard I, Duke of Normandy.
    Robert of Vermandois, Count of Meaux and Châlons († 967)[1]
    Luitgarde of Vermandois (c. 915–978), married 940 William I, Duke of Normandy;[1] married secondly, c. 943–44, Theobald I of Blois[c][12] Their son was Odo I, Count of Blois.[10]
    Hugh of Vermandois (920–962), Archbishop of Reims[1]
    Guy I, Count of Soissons (d. 986).[13]
    Notes
    King Charles was the godfather to one of Herbert II's sons. See: Rodulfus Glaber, The Five Books of the Histories, ed. & trans. John France (Oxford: The Clarendon Press, 1989), pp. 12–13 n. 1.
    Herbert 'the Old', Count of Meux the son of Herbert II is sometimes confused with his nephew, Herbert III, Count of Meux and Troyes, son of Robert Count of Meux. It was Herbert 'the Old' who married Eadgifu of Wessex in 951, his nephew Herbert III wasn't born until c. 950. See ES III/1, 49; K. Norgate, 'Odo of Champagne', EHR 5, 19 (Jul. 1890), 488.
    It was Hugh the Great who, taking advantage of the youth of Herbert II's successor, gave William Longwsord's widow, Luitgarde to his own vassal Theobald 'the Deceiver', count of Blois. But Glaber mistakenly credited Duke William's murder to Theobald 'the Deceiver' instead of Arnulf of Flanders. See: Rodulfus Glaber, The Five Books of the Histories, ed. & trans. John France (Oxford: The Clarendon Press, 1989), pp. 164–5, n. 2.

    Herbert married Hildebrante Princess Of France before 907 in , , , France. Hildebrante (daughter of Robert I King of France and Beatrice De Vermandois) was born about 897 in , Vermandois, France; died after 931. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 2. Herbert De Vermandois  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 910 in , Vermandois, France; died on 28 Dec 993; was buried in Abbaye de Lagny, Seine-et-Marne, France.
    2. 3. Adaele (Alice, Alix) De Vermandois  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 910 in , Vermandois, France; died on 10 Oct 960 in Bruges, Aquitaine, France; was buried in Abbaye de Saint Pierre, Ghent, Oost-Vlaanderen, Belgium.
    3. 4. Adele of Vermandois  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 910; died in 960 in , , , Belgium.
    4. 5. Albert I The Pious, Count Of Vermandois  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 915 in , Vermandois, France; died on 7 Sep 978 in Saint Quentin, Aisne, Hauts-de-France, France; was buried in Saint Quentin, Aisne, Hauts-de-France, France.
    5. 6. Eudes Count Of Viennois  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 916 in , Vermandois, France; died after 19 Jun 946.
    6. 7. Robert Count Of Vermandois & Meaux  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 918 in , Vermandois, France; died on 29 Aug 968.
    7. 8. Hugues Archbishop Of Reims  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 920 in , Vermandois, France; died in 962.
    8. 9. Ledgarde Duchess Of Normandy  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 920 in , Vermandois, France; died on 27 May 977; was buried in Abbaye DE Matemoutier, France.


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Herbert De Vermandois Descendancy chart to this point (1.Herbert1) was born in 910 in , Vermandois, France; died on 28 Dec 993; was buried in Abbaye de Lagny, Seine-et-Marne, France.

  2. 3.  Adaele (Alice, Alix) De Vermandois Descendancy chart to this point (1.Herbert1) was born in 910 in , Vermandois, France; died on 10 Oct 960 in Bruges, Aquitaine, France; was buried in Abbaye de Saint Pierre, Ghent, Oost-Vlaanderen, Belgium.

    Adaele married Arnoul I, Count Of Flanders in 932 in , Flanders, Belgium. Arnoul (son of Baudouin II "The Bald" Count Of Flanders and Elfridam Princess Of England) was born about 889 in , Flanders, Belgium; died on 27 Mar 964. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 10. Elstrude De Flanders  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 932 in , Flanders, Belgium.
    2. 11. Baudouin Iii, Count Of Flanders  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 933 in , Flanders, Belgium; died on 1 Nov 962.
    3. 12. Egbert De Flanders  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 937 in , Flanders, Belgium; died on 10 Jul 953.
    4. 13. Hildegarde Countess Of Flanders  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 940 in Ghent, Oost-Vlaanderen, Belgium; died on 10 Apr 990; was buried in Abdijkerk, Egmond Aan Den Hoef, Noord-Holland, Netherlands.
    5. 14. Ledgarde De Flanders  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 941 in , Flanders, Belgium; died on 29 Sep 964.

  3. 4.  Adele of Vermandois Descendancy chart to this point (1.Herbert1) was born in 910; died in 960 in , , , Belgium.

    Family/Spouse: Arnulf I Count of Flanders. Arnulf was born in 890; died on 27 Mar 965. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 15. Baldwin III Count of Flanders  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 940; died in 962.

  4. 5.  Albert I The Pious, Count Of Vermandois Descendancy chart to this point (1.Herbert1) was born about 915 in , Vermandois, France; died on 7 Sep 978 in Saint Quentin, Aisne, Hauts-de-France, France; was buried in Saint Quentin, Aisne, Hauts-de-France, France.

    Albert married Gerberge Princess Of Lorraine before 954 in , , , France. Gerberge (daughter of Gilbert Duke Of Lorraine and Gerberge Queen Of France) was born about 925 in , , Lorraine, France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 16. Herbert III Count Of Vermandois  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 942 in , Vermandois, France; died on 29 Aug 1015.
    2. 17. Eudes (Otton) De Vermandois  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 946 in , Vermandois, France; died before 987.
    3. 18. Guy Count Of Soissons  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 948 in , Vermandois, France.
    4. 19. Gisaele Of Vermandois  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 950 in , Vermandois, France.
    5. 20. Lindulf Of Vermandois  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 957 in , Vermandois, France; died in 986.

  5. 6.  Eudes Count Of Viennois Descendancy chart to this point (1.Herbert1) was born about 916 in , Vermandois, France; died after 19 Jun 946.

  6. 7.  Robert Count Of Vermandois & Meaux Descendancy chart to this point (1.Herbert1) was born about 918 in , Vermandois, France; died on 29 Aug 968.

    Robert married Adelais "Were" Countess Of Vermandois before 950. Adelais was born about 914 in Burgundy, Marne, Aisne, Hauts-de-France, France; died on 19 Aug 967. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 21. Adelaide De Vermandois  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 950 in , Vermandois, France; died after 982.
    2. 22. Herbert De Vermandois  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 950 in , Vermandois, France; died on 23 Apr 994.

  7. 8.  Hugues Archbishop Of Reims Descendancy chart to this point (1.Herbert1) was born in 920 in , Vermandois, France; died in 962.

  8. 9.  Ledgarde Duchess Of Normandy Descendancy chart to this point (1.Herbert1) was born about 920 in , Vermandois, France; died on 27 May 977; was buried in Abbaye DE Matemoutier, France.

    Ledgarde married Theobald I, Count Of Champagne on Yes, date unknown. Theobald was born about 913 in Blois, France; died on 16 Jan 978. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 23. Eudes I, Count Of Champagne  Descendancy chart to this point was born before 950 in , , , France; died on 1 Nov 995.
    2. 24. Emma, Countess Of Champagne  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 954 in Blois, France; died after 27 Dec 1003.


Generation: 3

  1. 10.  Elstrude De Flanders Descendancy chart to this point (3.Adaele2, 1.Herbert1) was born about 932 in , Flanders, Belgium.

  2. 11.  Baudouin Iii, Count Of Flanders Descendancy chart to this point (3.Adaele2, 1.Herbert1) was born about 933 in , Flanders, Belgium; died on 1 Nov 962.

    Family/Spouse: Mathilde Princess Of Saxony. Mathilde was born about 928 in , Saxony, Germany; died on 25 May 1008. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 25. Arnold II Count Of Flandres  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 941 in , Flanders, Belgium; died on 30 Mar 987; was buried on 30 Mar 987.
    2. 26. Countess of Flanders Bertha  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 945 in , Flandre, France.

  3. 12.  Egbert De Flanders Descendancy chart to this point (3.Adaele2, 1.Herbert1) was born about 937 in , Flanders, Belgium; died on 10 Jul 953.

  4. 13.  Hildegarde Countess Of Flanders Descendancy chart to this point (3.Adaele2, 1.Herbert1) was born about 940 in Ghent, Oost-Vlaanderen, Belgium; died on 10 Apr 990; was buried in Abdijkerk, Egmond Aan Den Hoef, Noord-Holland, Netherlands.

    Hildegarde married Dirk II Count Of Holland & West Friesland on Yes, date unknown. Dirk was born in 938 in Egmond-Binnen, Noord-Holland, Netherlands; died on 6 May 988 in Abdijkerk, Egmond Aan Den Hoef, Noord-Holland, Netherlands; was buried in Abdijkerk, Egmond Aan Den Hoef, Noord-Holland, Netherlands. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 27. Arnulf Count Of Holland & West Friesland  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 961 in Ghent, Oost-Vlaanderen, Belgium; died on 18 Sep 993 in Egmond Aan Den Hoef, Noord-Holland, Netherlands; was buried in Egmond Aan Den Hoef, Noord-Holland, Netherlands.
    2. 28. Egbert Count Of Holland  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 961 in Egmond-Binnen, Noord-Holland, Netherlands; died on 18 Sep 993 in Trier, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany.
    3. 29. Erlinda Countess Of Holland  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 965 in Egmond-Binnen, Noord-Holland, Netherlands.

  5. 14.  Ledgarde De Flanders Descendancy chart to this point (3.Adaele2, 1.Herbert1) was born about 941 in , Flanders, Belgium; died on 29 Sep 964.

    Ledgarde married Wickmann (Wieman) I Count Of Gand about 955 in Ghent, Oost-Vlaanderen, Belgium. Wickmann was born about 920 in Ghent, Oost-Vlaanderen, Belgium. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 30. Theodric De Gand  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 956 in Ghent, Oost-Vlaanderen, Belgium.
    2. 31. Hildegarde De Gand  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 958 in Ghent, Oost-Vlaanderen, Belgium.
    3. 32. Wickmann De Gand  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 960 in Ghent, Oost-Vlaanderen, Belgium.

  6. 15.  Baldwin III Count of Flanders Descendancy chart to this point (4.Adele2, 1.Herbert1) was born in 940; died in 962.

    Family/Spouse: Mathilde of Saxony. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 33. Arnulf II Count of Flanders  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 941 in , , , Belgium; died on 30 Mar 987 in , , , Belgium.

  7. 16.  Herbert III Count Of Vermandois Descendancy chart to this point (5.Albert2, 1.Herbert1) was born in 942 in , Vermandois, France; died on 29 Aug 1015.

    Herbert married Ermengarde Countess Of Vermandois before 974. Ermengarde was born about 946 in Burgundy, Marne, Aisne, Hauts-de-France, France; died after 1018. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 34. Albert II Count Of Vermandois & Namur  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 977 in , Vermandois, France; died on 1 Feb 1015.
    2. 35. Otho (Otto) Count Of Vermandois  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 979 in , Vermandois, France; died on 25 May 1043 in , , , France.

  8. 17.  Eudes (Otton) De Vermandois Descendancy chart to this point (5.Albert2, 1.Herbert1) was born about 946 in , Vermandois, France; died before 987.

  9. 18.  Guy Count Of Soissons Descendancy chart to this point (5.Albert2, 1.Herbert1) was born in 948 in , Vermandois, France.

  10. 19.  Gisaele Of Vermandois Descendancy chart to this point (5.Albert2, 1.Herbert1) was born about 950 in , Vermandois, France.

  11. 20.  Lindulf Of Vermandois Descendancy chart to this point (5.Albert2, 1.Herbert1) was born about 957 in , Vermandois, France; died in 986.

  12. 21.  Adelaide De Vermandois Descendancy chart to this point (7.Robert2, 1.Herbert1) was born about 950 in , Vermandois, France; died after 982.

    Adelaide married Lambert D' Autun, , , France. Lambert was born about 950 in Autun, France; died on 22 Feb 978. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 36. Maud (Mathilda) De Chalons  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 970 in Chalons, Champagne, France; died in 1019.

  13. 22.  Herbert De Vermandois Descendancy chart to this point (7.Robert2, 1.Herbert1) was born about 950 in , Vermandois, France; died on 23 Apr 994.

  14. 23.  Eudes I, Count Of Champagne Descendancy chart to this point (9.Ledgarde2, 1.Herbert1) was born before 950 in , , , France; died on 1 Nov 995.

  15. 24.  Emma, Countess Of Champagne Descendancy chart to this point (9.Ledgarde2, 1.Herbert1) was born about 954 in Blois, France; died after 27 Dec 1003.

    Emma, married Guillaume IV (Fier-Aa-Bras) Aquitaine before 969. Guillaume (son of Guillaume III (I) Duke Of Aquitaine and Adaele (Gerloc) Of Normandy) was born about 949 in Aquitaine, France; died on 3 Feb 995 in , , , France. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 37. Guillaume V (Iii), "The Grand" Duke Of Aquitaine  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 975 in Poitiers, Aquitaine, France; died on 31 Jan 1030 in , , , France.
    2. 38. Ebles D' Aquitaine  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 977 in Aquitaine, France; died in 997.


Generation: 4

  1. 25.  Arnold II Count Of Flandres Descendancy chart to this point (11.Baudouin3, 3.Adaele2, 1.Herbert1) was born about 941 in , Flanders, Belgium; died on 30 Mar 987; was buried on 30 Mar 987.

    Arnold married Rosele (Susanna), Princess Of Italy on Yes, date unknown. Rosele (daughter of Berenger II King of Italy and Willa Princess Of Tuscany) was born about 945 in , , Luxembourg; died on 26 Jan 1003 in Ghent, Oost-Vlaanderen, Belgium; was buried in Ghent, Oost-Vlaanderen, Belgium. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 39. Baudouin IV "Le Barbu", Count Of Flandres  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 967 in , Flanders, Belgium; died on 30 May 1036 in , Flanders, Belgium.

  2. 26.  Countess of Flanders Bertha Descendancy chart to this point (11.Baudouin3, 3.Adaele2, 1.Herbert1) was born about 945 in , Flandre, France.

  3. 27.  Arnulf Count Of Holland & West Friesland Descendancy chart to this point (13.Hildegarde3, 3.Adaele2, 1.Herbert1) was born in 961 in Ghent, Oost-Vlaanderen, Belgium; died on 18 Sep 993 in Egmond Aan Den Hoef, Noord-Holland, Netherlands; was buried in Egmond Aan Den Hoef, Noord-Holland, Netherlands.

  4. 28.  Egbert Count Of Holland Descendancy chart to this point (13.Hildegarde3, 3.Adaele2, 1.Herbert1) was born about 961 in Egmond-Binnen, Noord-Holland, Netherlands; died on 18 Sep 993 in Trier, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany.

  5. 29.  Erlinda Countess Of Holland Descendancy chart to this point (13.Hildegarde3, 3.Adaele2, 1.Herbert1) was born about 965 in Egmond-Binnen, Noord-Holland, Netherlands.

  6. 30.  Theodric De Gand Descendancy chart to this point (14.Ledgarde3, 3.Adaele2, 1.Herbert1) was born about 956 in Ghent, Oost-Vlaanderen, Belgium.

  7. 31.  Hildegarde De Gand Descendancy chart to this point (14.Ledgarde3, 3.Adaele2, 1.Herbert1) was born about 958 in Ghent, Oost-Vlaanderen, Belgium.

  8. 32.  Wickmann De Gand Descendancy chart to this point (14.Ledgarde3, 3.Adaele2, 1.Herbert1) was born about 960 in Ghent, Oost-Vlaanderen, Belgium.

  9. 33.  Arnulf II Count of Flanders Descendancy chart to this point (15.Baldwin3, 4.Adele2, 1.Herbert1) was born in 941 in , , , Belgium; died on 30 Mar 987 in , , , Belgium.

    Family/Spouse: Rozala of Italy. Rozala was born in 950; died in 1003 in Ghent, Oost-Vlaanderen, Belgium. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 40. Baldwin IV Count of Flanders  Descendancy chart to this point was born in 968 in , , , Belgium; died on 30 May 1036 in , , , Belgium.

  10. 34.  Albert II Count Of Vermandois & Namur Descendancy chart to this point (16.Herbert3, 5.Albert2, 1.Herbert1) was born about 977 in , Vermandois, France; died on 1 Feb 1015.

  11. 35.  Otho (Otto) Count Of Vermandois Descendancy chart to this point (16.Herbert3, 5.Albert2, 1.Herbert1) was born about 979 in , Vermandois, France; died on 25 May 1043 in , , , France.

  12. 36.  Maud (Mathilda) De Chalons Descendancy chart to this point (21.Adelaide3, 7.Robert2, 1.Herbert1) was born in 970 in Chalons, Champagne, France; died in 1019.

  13. 37.  Guillaume V (Iii), "The Grand" Duke Of Aquitaine Descendancy chart to this point (24.Emma,3, 9.Ledgarde2, 1.Herbert1) was born in 975 in Poitiers, Aquitaine, France; died on 31 Jan 1030 in , , , France.

    Guillaume married Agnaes Countess Of Burgundy before Mar 1018 in , , , France. Agnaes (daughter of Otto Guillaume Count Of Burgundy and Ermentrude (Irmtrude) Countess Of Rheims) was born about 987 in Burgundy, Marne, Aisne, Hauts-de-France, France; died on 10 Nov 1068. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. 41. Pierre-Guillaume V D' Aquitaine  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1019 in Aquitaine, France; died in 1058.
    2. 42. Agnaes Princess Of Aquitaine  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1020 in Aquitaine, France; died on 14 Dec 1077.
    3. 43. Guillaume VIII (Guy Geoffroy), Duke Of Aquitaine  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1026 in Aquitaine, France; died on 25 Sep 1086 in Chcateau DE Chizay, Poitou, Aquitaine, France.
    4. 44. Beatrice D' Aquitaine  Descendancy chart to this point was born about 1027 in Aquitaine, France; died in 1109.

  14. 38.  Ebles D' Aquitaine Descendancy chart to this point (24.Emma,3, 9.Ledgarde2, 1.Herbert1) was born about 977 in Aquitaine, France; died in 997.


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